So, where to begin...
I'm a 30 years old born American living across the Atlantic. I heard of this podcast on Marc Maron's first, and right away thought it was a fantastic idea. In order to be a good cook I think it's important that you develop a love for the process. I'm a terrible cook, but I have that love for the process when it comes to surviving, and everything that has to do with it. It has served me well. Still, it's nice to see (or hear) someone else's head bob in and out of the deep blue sea at times, maybe someone else reaching for the sky.
I've had that before when dealing with some aspects and it was a big help. Other people who were going through similar things. Being understood makes a big difference. I've had my own struggles over the years, and almost all of them born out of just life experience. Those were the the easy ones, for myself in any case. Well, maybe not easy, but possible. I was just holding on through some phases, nothing else to do but hold on, but there was this idea that this was finite, that there was hope, and that was a big aid. I found it possible to outgrow a lot of baggage from my childhood, a severely messed up relationship that lasted way too long, and some other bits and pieces. PTSD, that wasn't so hard. Sex addiction, codependency, been there, done that, done with it.
And then there are some things where outgrowing or overcoming or resolving in some form just isn't an option that's available. Stuff your stuck with forever and the only option is to just deal with it. Manage. After 12 years of trying to fix it I've come to accept that some things there ain't no fix for. I don't think it's born out of experience anymore, since I've changed a lot as a person, but this issue has remained untouched by that. In my case, that's sexual sadism. Not really something that has a community. Too shameful to talk about, too scary for someone to hear, not really a problem. Pick a reason.
I remember this one time I was in a sexual abuse survivor group, which is what's closest to my own experience, and those that weren't stuck in an identity crisis of some sort were trying to process the past and trying to overcome patterns of behavior that would have them end up in abusive situations again if they didn't watch out. I was sitting there and feeling like a wolf sitting amongst lambs. Not really a place for me to connect, or work on what I found important. Hey fellow survivors, all these things that rip you screaming out of what little sleep you have? Your nightmares are making my mouth water. Anyone else deal with that? You can see how that might mess with someones safe space. As I saw it then, few people deal with the fear of the monster under the bed by becoming it. I'm not so sure that's really what happened anymore, but at the time, that's what I thought.
That's been my experience for a long time now. No place to connect when it comes to this aspect. A lot of sexual sadists that sort of have their stuff together end up in BDSM, but this also wasn't a group, or a set of ideas, that was open to someone trying to overcome what they have embraced, often in a dysfunctional manner with no regard for boundaries in my opinion, and sometimes after great struggles with acceptance and coming to terms of their own. Been there, done that, done with it. Sexual Sadism and boundaries, they just don't go hand in hand, and if for no other reason, I've come to like boundaries because I like people who are dependable. Someone you can lean on for a change. Try doing that with someone for whom you're a pillar, and see how that works out.
So, that's my mental health issue. My central conflict. There are therapies, but the treatment is not proportional to the problem, since I'm no actual danger to anyone. I scare the crap out of myself sometimes due to what resonates with me. I have to keep a close eye on my attraction to anyone. Am I attracted to this person because she's intelligent, kind, fun, whatever, or because I sense something about her that marks her as prey. The Sirens are constantly singing, but you get used to it. These are manageable things. I wish I wouldn't have to manage, it would make my life a lot easier, but whatcha gonna do. I don't have high hopes, but maybe, who knows, I'll come across someone here who has a relateable experience. If not, the mind, the puzzle, the struggle, it always make for a very interesting and sometimes entertaining topic, and with that, I think this introduction is done.
Hi everyone
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Hi bestia. I also love WTF Pod with Marc Maron.
Fetlife is a good place to connect with fellow BDSMers. There's also a good community on it for on OKCupid if you use the right keywords. I myself have never been a BDSM party, too paranoid for that sort of thing, but if you keep things safe, fun, and consensual, I know it can be a great outlet.
Fetlife is a good place to connect with fellow BDSMers. There's also a good community on it for on OKCupid if you use the right keywords. I myself have never been a BDSM party, too paranoid for that sort of thing, but if you keep things safe, fun, and consensual, I know it can be a great outlet.
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Hey there, welcome to the forum. I'm also a fan of Marc's podcast, though it was not what got me into listening to MIHH.
Good luck with finding a safe place and a safe way to indulge in your interests. I'd guess it will take a lot of conversations and trust to find someone who isn't afraid of the places you go in your head.
Good luck with finding a safe place and a safe way to indulge in your interests. I'd guess it will take a lot of conversations and trust to find someone who isn't afraid of the places you go in your head.
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Yet another WTF fan here, and Paul's appearance on Marc's podcast is what led me here.
Bestia, the thing that struck me the most about your post is how self aware you are. You have obviously done a lot of work and you have a lot of understanding about who you are. It is understandable that it is difficult to have the desires, thoughts and feelings that you have, and to feel ashamed. At the same time, the insight that you have makes me think that you are smart enough and determined enough to find a way to be comfortable in your own skin enough to feel like you're not just "managing".
As another person who feels ashamed about a lot of his thoughts and feelings, I welcome you and I wish you a peaceful experience here and in the real world where you feel accepted for who you are and not judged.
Bestia, the thing that struck me the most about your post is how self aware you are. You have obviously done a lot of work and you have a lot of understanding about who you are. It is understandable that it is difficult to have the desires, thoughts and feelings that you have, and to feel ashamed. At the same time, the insight that you have makes me think that you are smart enough and determined enough to find a way to be comfortable in your own skin enough to feel like you're not just "managing".
As another person who feels ashamed about a lot of his thoughts and feelings, I welcome you and I wish you a peaceful experience here and in the real world where you feel accepted for who you are and not judged.
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Thanks for the warm welcome y'all
@imperfectrhyme
BDSM is kind of a double edged sword in my eyes. One of the problems with communities such as fetlife is that you will find rationalizations for any kind of destructive behavior up to and including mutilation, psychological and physical.There are some wonderful aspects to it, and people that find genuine happiness expressing their sexuality like that, but I'm not one of them. I divide it by the happy rainbows and puppy world of SM (physical experiences) and the shadier side of D/s (psychological subjugation). Maybe I'm wrong. It would be wonderful if I was wrong, that somehow having ones cake and eating it too is possible, but I strongly suspect that a partner that is willing to give up control over their life, what I'm attracted to, is suffering from all kinds of issues that bring out the worst in me. Codependency, sex and love addiction, abandonment issues, a whole plethora of vulnerabilities that I can sink my teeth into. The last time I had everything I wanted, had total control over my partners, and it wasn't enough. I had always done right by them, always held on to my moral code, but I needed MORE, more control, more power, and the only things left to quench that need, they were things I wouldn't have been able to live with. So, at that point I figured out that the lack of something wasn't my problem. It was the wanting of something that was.
I think my approach, treating it like a drug addiction, something you don't try to find a balance with but simply avoid completely, at this point in my life it seems the best option.
@weary
That's a wonderful thing to wish someone. Thank you, and likewise.
As far as managing goes, some people can quit smoking and then never look back. And some people quit smoking, end up mostly ok and then they have moments where they're stressed and are in danger of falling back on old behavior patterns. Where they're tempted by an old addiction again that seemingly promises relief. It'd be awesome if one day I find myself in the first group, but I strongly suspect it'll be the second one. I'm only half a year into complete abstinence so far, and the draw is still quite strong. That it'll be something that will always feel attractive and have to watch out for is what I suspect at this point. I really appreciate your confidence and positive outlook, but if having to look out for behavior on my part is the main price I have to pay while doing fine otherwise, if I only need to manage in that respect, I think that's an acceptable price for more peace and stability in my life, for real intimacy and, who knows, maybe some not so chaotic and drama riddled love down the road
@imperfectrhyme
BDSM is kind of a double edged sword in my eyes. One of the problems with communities such as fetlife is that you will find rationalizations for any kind of destructive behavior up to and including mutilation, psychological and physical.There are some wonderful aspects to it, and people that find genuine happiness expressing their sexuality like that, but I'm not one of them. I divide it by the happy rainbows and puppy world of SM (physical experiences) and the shadier side of D/s (psychological subjugation). Maybe I'm wrong. It would be wonderful if I was wrong, that somehow having ones cake and eating it too is possible, but I strongly suspect that a partner that is willing to give up control over their life, what I'm attracted to, is suffering from all kinds of issues that bring out the worst in me. Codependency, sex and love addiction, abandonment issues, a whole plethora of vulnerabilities that I can sink my teeth into. The last time I had everything I wanted, had total control over my partners, and it wasn't enough. I had always done right by them, always held on to my moral code, but I needed MORE, more control, more power, and the only things left to quench that need, they were things I wouldn't have been able to live with. So, at that point I figured out that the lack of something wasn't my problem. It was the wanting of something that was.
I think my approach, treating it like a drug addiction, something you don't try to find a balance with but simply avoid completely, at this point in my life it seems the best option.
@weary
That's a wonderful thing to wish someone. Thank you, and likewise.
As far as managing goes, some people can quit smoking and then never look back. And some people quit smoking, end up mostly ok and then they have moments where they're stressed and are in danger of falling back on old behavior patterns. Where they're tempted by an old addiction again that seemingly promises relief. It'd be awesome if one day I find myself in the first group, but I strongly suspect it'll be the second one. I'm only half a year into complete abstinence so far, and the draw is still quite strong. That it'll be something that will always feel attractive and have to watch out for is what I suspect at this point. I really appreciate your confidence and positive outlook, but if having to look out for behavior on my part is the main price I have to pay while doing fine otherwise, if I only need to manage in that respect, I think that's an acceptable price for more peace and stability in my life, for real intimacy and, who knows, maybe some not so chaotic and drama riddled love down the road